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Double Debate! Seifer's Flashback and Squall/Seifer V.S. Cloud

Ok so I have two debate topics I would love to discuss with all of you today. These are just a few out of the many that I have in mind. Ok so with that said, let's get to it. First one is about Final Fantasy 8. Do you any of you remember the part in the game when Squall and company visited Matron's orphanage? Was it disc two? Anyway, while in the basketball court they experience a flashback which leads them to remember who Matron is and that she is indeed the Sorceress. Ok so here is where things get a little tricky.

The next time they run into Seifer (who was also in the flashback) he talks to the entire group as if he experienced that very same flashback, possibly at the same time as the others. I say this because in disc 2 he refers to the Sorceress as Matron, obviously indicating he knows who she really is. I was able to find the quotes too. "Did you guys come to fight Matron? After all she's done for us?" What I find interesting is that in disc one he doesn't refer to the Sorceress as Matron. So here is my first question. In your opinion, did Seifer know who Edea was by the end of first disc? Or did he find out in disc 2 by experiencing the same flashback as the others, or by some other method?

My second question is pretty direct. If Seifer and Squall teamed up to battle Final Fantasy 7's Cloud, who do you think would win? This question is totally based on one's imagination. lol I'm just curious to see the feedback. But my personal opinion, I'd say Seifer and Squall would win. I'll admit that Cloud's 3 vs 1 skills was very impressive. But I don't recall seeing any limit breaks from Kadaj, and his gang. Me personally, Seifer and Squall might overwhelm Cloud with pure limit breaks. Although, the teamwork between Squall and Seifer could be complicated because I can see Seifer trying to do it all by himself and quite possibly endanger his partner. Also, one can even argue that Squall might spend most of the match trying to defend/protect Seifer afer making reckless/arrogant decisions. Neverhteless, I'd still consider the two teens the victors in this melee match up.

So those are my two debate topics. I hope you like them and I look forward to your point of views. XD


I believe that it was disk 3 when they officially visited the orphanage, but Irvine talked about it during the 2nd disk and the rest started to vaguely remember.

Then how Seifer knew about Matrion and associated it with Edea. Imagine this: if you were possessed, and was forced to use and somewhat abuse someone who you consider as 'your child' wouldn't you (as the one possessed) do everything possible to help out the child? I guess making sure that Seifer know about her true self was the only way she could help, but then the one who took over Edea (Ultimceia) twisted and warped it to mean something else. I know that its a vague 'wishy-washy' hypothesis, but there is really not much proof to go on with this.


Then the 2 vs. 1 match: I still think it would be Cloud in which he survived the Jenova Project made his skills rival or even surpass Sephiroth that allowed a clear and decisive victor instead of a draw.

But thinking about him being put up against Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz - you gotta remember that at the time Cloud was still infected and suffering the ill effects of Geostigma.

Then the character dynamic between Seifer and Squall. You nailed it right on the head. But, let's put that aside for a moment.

Both have been trained in Junctioned Magic and Guardian Forces - They (I feel) are rather limited and not only do you have to level up the character, you have to level up your GF too.

Limit Breaks: If Squall or Seifer has one ready (which only happens when they are low in health) and then they are healed to their max level, they no longer have it available (otherwise they would be easy targets for defeat) - but for Cloud, it's stoic in which any hit builds up to it and it's only wiped clean if he (or anyone in the FF7 world) are KO'd.

So putting the character dynamics aside and comparing with just the battle system alone, I would say Cloud.

Putting the in story mode which includes character dynamic, their individual history and actions - I would still say Cloud.

... but that's just me =^_^=

Edited at 2009-03-21 05:46 pm (UTC)
Rufus - AC

September 2009



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